Look, Gentlemen. I don't want to talk about the Silk Spectre's rape with you anymore.
Can you empathize? Sure! However, if I tell you I don't want to have the conversation, I don't want to have the conversation. I KNOW what you're going to say- she wanted it. Yeah, okay, glad you think that. Conversation ended.
The fact that I've had this point brought up to me more than once is not something I care to address. The fact that I've asked the speakers to stop, while instead they got louder and repeated their points makes me sad. Can you respect my wishes at all? So are you trying to rape me with your opinion that she wasn't raped? Because that's what it feels like.
So, since I've heard your arguments on several occasions, here's mine:
Unless you are a woman, or have been assaulted, (my heart goes out to you, either way) you don't know jack-shit about the feelings involved in a situation like this. JACK SHIT.
Her wanting it:Giving into having sex with someone- being "convinced" by circumstances, guilt, and feelings of disappointment is a form of rape. Conceding it like it's an asset, not something to be enjoyed by everyone involved, is painful, and will affect the act. Some women like this kind of beginning, but no matter how good the resulting sex is, sometimes the way it was initiated will never be okay with the women involved.
And her opinion on this is never addressed in the film or the comic. Because, Alan Moore hates
women. And HUMANITY.The Old Boy's Club:Okay, so you like the Comedian. I do, too. He's the most complicated and relatable character in the series. His nihilistic views on life are the philosophy I most find myself agreeing with. Plus, I'll bet he'd be super fun at a party, assuming he didn't
beat the crap out of and rape anyone.
That being said, the loud, fun guy at the party is the one that date-rapes the freshmen. I'm not saying it's always the case, but usually it's the one with the most confidence. He's fun, he's flirty- so flirty it's hard not to flirt with him, and then he thinks you're saying yes to something he never asked about.
The RAPE thing:Don't get me wrong- Rape is
RAPE. However.
Our emotions about sex, the situations we're in, who the perpetrator is- these are all elements that vary rape scenarios drastically. Our pride, those connected to us, and our daily lives all change how we deal with sexual assault of any kind. Being assaulted does not mean that we'll never talk to, or even not have sex with, the person responsible afterwards. We are expected to function fully, as equals with, or above (as the feminazis inform us), the boys, who have everything going for them. All the while being under the threat that anyone, at any time, will try to have sex with us. Jokes in the workplace, pick up lines at bars, even our closest friends' attentions are always a threat.
I realize men go through this, too, but there's no way you can argue it's to the same extent. That being said,
I do think that men being raped can be worse then when a woman is raped. Can be. That is a different conversation entirely. I will say that, as a woman, I have at least resigned myself to the likelihood that I will be assaulted again in my, assumedly, long life. Men never have to assume it will happen, even though that is so much more traumatic later on.
And Guys:Stop starting sentences with,
"I'm not for women being raped."
Even the phrasing is offensive. You're not "for" it? What, you're not "against" it, either? You should be using a
negative there.
Beginning what you think is a conversation with this makes me want to spit on your stupid, flaccid shoes. (Deuteronomy 25:9-10)
In fact, if you're pro-rape, I'd prefer you just tell me up front, because the opposite is too obvious to be stated. I know you're against rape, dumbass, because it's wrong, and I like to assume guys I give the time of day aren't mentally depraved. Momma always told me it's wrong to assume, though, so we'll see.
She Wanted It (Part 2):
Just because you're a strong woman does not mean you want to be held down and fucked like a slut. Sure, some women are into this, but it's just not a safe thing to assume.
This argument goes back to the things feminists have been fighting against for decades: she's flirty, she dressed less-than-modestly, she enjoys being thought of in a sexual way, she loves putting bad, bad men in their place- Well, gosh, boys, SHE MUST BE ASKING FOR IT. What is it about Alan Moore that makes people think it's okay to act like we're still in the 1940s. JUST BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT CHEST HAIR DOES NOT MEAN THE DAME'S INTERESTED.
Also, remember how she was in that media relationship with Hooded Justice? Do you also remember how he was probably bangin Captain Metropolis? Check out the
wikipedia page, or your copy for reference.
Okay, so, the Minutemen and the Media thinks she's a nice piece of cheesecake, but beyond that don't give a hoot, and man she's probably in love with is gay. Who does that leave? The guy that wanted her when no one else did.
Given time, I think it's obvious she gave into the pressure to be a sex object for somebody: by having the sex she wasn't gettin anywhere else.
And DON'T GET ME STARTED on the fact that a man had to come and save her. Oh, Alan Moore.
Up yours.
I'm a Ball-Hatin Lesbian:I had a creative writing professor that once told me off in front of the entire class for my response to a Byron poem. He said,
"Miss [Y], put aside your hate for men."
This is a phrase I have to repeat to myself on an almost daily basis. At my basest, I think I really do hate men. They just make it so easy.
On the other hand: When I go through yet another shitty break-up, you know who's on the phone at 2 AM listening to all of my bullshit, and responding with, "Yeah, we'll pull his teeth out with a pliers!"? Some guy I have in my life. You know who's willing to hang out with me when I have a bad day, and support me by listening to my 2 hour rant on how exciting Edo period screen prints are? One of my guys.
In conclusion:You've got your opinions, I've got mine. These are things that will, in all likelihood, not change. You don't have to start shouting. I don't think you're necessarily a rapist just because you think that Alan Moore's Walking-Masochism-Cliche of a lady wanted to be rough-housed. You've got nothing to prove. So just get over yourself and drop it.
-BIA
I found that the Lostpedia article is a bit of a stretch: the shared themes and character archetypes Lucas lifted from mythological pieces that have been around since mankind started. However, the trivial star wars references is another fun thing to look for in this, and J.J. Abrams' other works.
